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#1
oiiink

2021: Tenz
2022: Yay
2023: Demon1
2024: Kangkang
2025: ?

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delighted
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2025: patmen

#53
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Imma put this here cause this is one long ass thread but KK in 24??? Blud won like a total of 2 international games pre champs

21: imo its Chronicle even if both nAts and Tenz had higher peaks
22: Yay no questions
23: Leo no questions
24: Texture or my king tenz (i know its cope but just let me have it, he was singlehandedly holding up that sen team)
25: so far id say you cant call an "MVP" since no ones been crazy in 2 events in a row but the sheer level of play that Alfa had this tourney has to put him up there even if he didnt win

#54
delighted
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if only GEN.G didn't fuck up champs 24 😭🙏💔🥀

#55
CrackedDuelist
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still tho, i love kk but last year was t3xture's year

#56
delighted
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I blame punchkin for literally tilting the fucking team even if they had meteor and Lakia on the roster

#58
JustHunter
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you really think the reason they went out early in 2024 is because munchkin punched the desk and that made their mental shatter? VLR users be like

#59
delighted
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how else did TH come back then

#67
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i think Karon or Meteor was more impactfull from GenG

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sentinelmain377
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0/8 but:

https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

Overall:
Chronicle/Derke

2021:
nAts (2nd: Chronicle, 3rd: cNed, 4th: TenZ)

2022:
Yay

2023:
Leo (2nd: Alfajer, 3rd: Demon1)

2024:
T3Xture (Zmjjkk is not even close)

2025:
so far between Meteor/Alfajer/F0rsaken/maybe Derke/maybe t3xture/maybe nAts

edit: im being downfragged for the truth.

#8
Just_some_loser
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flair

#15
Zimbo147
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Derke? are u good bro

#31
mrbloombloom
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are we forgetting the first part of the year?

#20
Divine_Thunder
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bro said "0/8" but then dropped a 5/8

#21
Razzal78
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Perfect list, ngl smartest user on the site after me

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GambleNats
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kk > t3xture in 2024, good contenders in 2025 but id put chichoo and nats in the fray because similar to derke and t3xture they both had some insane performances, especially bangkok chichoo

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sentinelmain377
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everything you said makes sense except:

kk > t3xture in 2024

Memory loss??

Zmjjkk didnt do anything until Champs 2024 playoffs (a pretty small part of the year)
Zmjjkk was realistically around the #11 overall player of 2024. No where close to the top (after T3Xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo)

#26
GambleNats
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kk was insane in shanghai and madrid. legit constant 1v5 with 0 utility to set him. Like legit watch it back.

Also chichoo is nowhere near the top players. He was insane at champs but shit the bed in Shanghai and Madrid.

Just because EDG is bad doesnt mean the player on the team deserves to get nerfed despite putting incredible performances

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sentinelmain377
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KK is not close to player of the year in 2024

that is insane to say

#28
GambleNats
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KK > t3xture > derke/zekken

Derke would be number 1 if he didnt shit the bed in emea kickoff and participated in madrid.

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Madrid KK was underrated but legit everyone on EDG was ass during Shanghai you're coping by saying it was anything different. The entire team sucked. KK is not player of the year.

t3xture and Meteor were actually farming at every event, even at Champs Meteor was a top 10 player in terms of rating, and both of them had a better rating than KK at Champs too

but the fact that you put Derke 3rd and made it a debate between Zekken (and also over Meteor) even though he basically didn't do anything at every international kinda says everything.

#43
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you are putting too much importance in team performance and not individuals. look at shanghai and champs for derke, he was fucking insane, but im not here to argue about derke.

Lets just compare statwise for now, and keep in mind Zmjjkk had no good support utility because half of his players were off role (and kk had to fill kayo an agent he has played 5 times)

Zmjjkk vs T3xture Madrid:

Rating: 1.07 > 1.03
Acs: 252 > 224
K/D: 1.08 >= 1.07
Kast: 69 =< 71
ADR: 164 > 144
KPR: 0.88 >= 0.8
APR: 0.25 >= 0.16
FKPR: 0.19 >= 0.16
FDPR: 0.11 >= 0.13
C%: 14% =< 17%
Direct H2H: https://www.vlr.gg/312797/edward-gaming-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r2 Zmjjkk > T3xture

Reminder besides smoggy, everyone else on EDG was bottom 12

Shanghai:
ACS: 243 >= 241
K/D: 0.91 <<< 1.21
ADR: 154 > 148
KPR: 0.81 =< 0.85
APR: 0.15 >= 0.14
FKPR: 0.17 << 0.22
FDPR: 0.17 = 0.7

Reminder both of EDG intiators were bottom 6 players

Champions 2024
Rating: 1.10 < 1.14
ACS: 250 >= 242
KD: 1.20 >= 1.17
Kast: 69% = 69%
ADR: 160 >= 157
KPR: 0.88 >= 0.8
APR: 0.21 > 0.17
FKPR: 0.23 >> 0.18
FDPR: 0.19 < 0.14
C%: 17% < 19%

Lakia is bottom 3 but still has a 0.3 APR

Now maybe you are talking about peak performance?
https://www.vlr.gg/378829/edward-gaming-vs-team-heretics-valorant-champions-2024-gf

Zmjjkk has the greatest peak perfomance in all of valorant in a final, broke the bo5 without going into OT once, is +39 with a 1.4 rating.

So clearly it isnt that...

Well maybe its outside factors, like what zmjjkk and t3xture do outside the game...

This is until you realise Zmjjkk is EDG's hype man, and responsible for bringing back team morale, whereas t3xture has no notable outside benefactors, except being a superstar player which can bring morale but at no point in time where he is noticably bringing people up at all times.

Well maybe its regionals, im too lazy to write it out but you can see for yourself:
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2096/champions-tour-2024-china-stage-2
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2006/champions-tour-2024-china-stage-1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1926/champions-tour-2024-china-kickoff
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2005/champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-2
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2002/champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1924/champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff

But TLDR Zmjjkk >>>>> T3xture. Regionally every single time

Maybe its agent pool, the better player that can flex around more
Zmjjkk: Raze, Jett, Kayo, Neon
T3xture: Raze, Jett

Well if T3xture has better supporting utility, while still doing statiscally worse than Zmjjkk both regionally and domestically, as well as losing h2h against Zmjjkk, as well as a worse peak performance, as well as less outside benefits towards the team, as well as a worse agent pool than Zmjjkk. What exactly makes t3xture the better player? Just because he got signed to a better team that got better performances?

Like are we serious? What else?

#46
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your stats are missing key details like the fact that t3xture played double the rounds kangkang did (328 vs 154, 2 times more rounds), and h2h doesn't mean anything lol. if someone is dropping 25+ kills every map but dying to only one person on the other team, that doesn't make them a worse player.

your shanghai analysis of KK's stats are based off of 78 TOTAL ROUNDS compared to t3xture's 388!
that's a difference of 310 rounds, in other words t3xture played FIVE TIMES more rounds than KK
of course it's easier to have inflated stats when you play less games. Over time, performance averages out.

When it comes to key stats in defining a duelist, t3xture has KK beat at most of them during playoffs
higher K/D, equal ACS, higher KPR, higher FKPR, and barely worse FDPR
and this is with almost 200 more rounds played

it's no coincidence then that t3xture won the stats game at Champs with 155 rounds played to KK's 449

in terms of peak performance of course KK was the best player of 2024, he broke the kill record and won Champs with it.
in terms of overall performance over the year then t3xture was just the better player. KK has had inflated af stats that you use to justify a better performance but you cannot deny that KK's sample size was at the very least half, to 1/5th at most of t3xture's. If we want to compare players that way then it's fair to say that primmie was actually one of the best players at Champs even though he only played 85 rounds.

you are putting too much importance in team performance and not individuals.
also you:
keep in mind Zmjjkk had no good support utility because half of his players were off role
Reminder besides smoggy, everyone else on EDG was bottom 12
Reminder both of EDG intiators were bottom 6 players

you are also putting too much importance in team performance. just because the rest of kangkang's team had, according to you, no good support utility, does not cover for gaps in kangkang's own individual performance. In fact, ironically, when EDG's players started to have better support utility like at Champs, KK's individual performance barely changed, and if it did, it mostly went down. This actually suggests that the reason EDG didn't do well at Madrid or Shanghai wasn't because they were failing to set up KK properly, it was more likely that they couldn't hold their own while trying to set up KK.
KK's performance stayed the same or got slightly worse as his team's utility got better. so i don't understand the "his team had poor support utility and t3xture's had good support utility and that's why KK is better" angle.

In fact, when t3xture's team crumbled and KK's team got better, t3xture's own individual performance was comparable to KK's when KK's team was doing bad.

t3xture vs KK (i'm going use Shanghai since I think we can agree that was when EDG were at their lowest during the entire year) when their teams are shitting the bed:
rounds: 155 > 78
ACS: 242.6 = 243
K/D: 1.17 > 0.91
ADR: 157.2 > 154
KPR: 0.84 > 0.81
FKPR: 0.18 > 0.17

so as you can see the two are pretty similar when it comes to how well they do when their team shits the bed.

As for regionals, EDG during 2024 literally farmed China. They won Kickoff, Stage 1, and Stage 2, and they did it 2/3 times from the upper bracket. And you could tell that China (minus EDG) still had to catch up considering they got first rounded at every event except Champs, when the narrative finally started to shift. It's not exactly difficult to win your region when you're on the most dominant regional team of all time.

Maybe its agent pool, the better player that can flex around more
Zmjjkk: Raze, Jett, Kayo, Neon
T3xture: Raze, Jett

this is also a non argument because both KK and t3xture have different teams with different players and the way roles and offroles work is different. There's a reason players like Aspas don't get compared to players like f0rsakeN because of their ability to flex. it's about who does their job better and more consistently. KK and t3xture are both duelists, so compare how they do as duelists. Idk where this team hype merchant stuff came from. Zellsis the goat then or what lmfao

Well if T3xture has better supporting utility, while still doing statiscally worse than Zmjjkk both regionally and domestically, as well as losing h2h against Zmjjkk, as well as a worse peak performance, as well as less outside benefits towards the team, as well as a worse agent pool than Zmjjkk. What exactly makes t3xture the better player? Just because he got signed to a better team that got better performances?

Well if t3xture performed to a similar level over more rounds and matches with a good team compared to KK with significantly less rounds and a bad team, and then performed BETTER than KK over less rounds when KK had a good team, what exactly makes KK the better player? Just because KK had roughly similar stats when he had a worse team and played to a 5th amount of rounds compared to t3xture? KK got his good team, got a guy with 0.49 APR (the 2nd highest APR in the tournament) and ended up performing worse than t3xture at the stats game.

So are we serious? What else?

#51
NerfMaxima
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10/10 for effort

0/8 bait tho

#60
Avzii
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playing more rounds doesnt make u better, because if you are getting destroyed like EDG did getting good stats is ridiculously hard, surprise surprise good strategies and winning makes u shoot better

#63
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playing more rounds does not indeed make u better, but having a larger sample size provides more accurate data. this is like the basics of statistics

#44
Koreymi
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How was kangkang ass at shanghai? He was very good, and incredible at madrid/champs. T3xture was good as well but to say kangkang was ass at shanghai is a little silly and clearly apac biased

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bro the entire team was ass at Shanghai you don't have to be a genius to see that a 9-26 loss to heretics and a 17-26 loss to PRX is a pretty bad performance. alternatively you can watch the games, i'm not saying kangkang was the worst player on the team but he wasn't exactly performing super well either.
kangkang and his entire team performed poorly at shanghai, especially after they had just won regionals. kangkang was underrated at madrid and he was good at champs, although i personally believe chichoo was the real standout player at that tournament

#50
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All im gonna say is everyone is disagreeing with you for a reason; theres clearly no point arguing if you are that dense

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it's not dense to have a take that's different from others as long as there is some reasoning to it. my take simply hinges on the premise that we have seen a more consistent performance from t3xture over a larger amount of rounds regardless of how well his team has been doing compared to kangkang.

you can disagree with how i evaluate players, but i think the numbers don't invalidate my reasoning.

#68
Koreymi
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Your reasoning isnt good hence people disagree... you can apply reason to any argument, flat earthers can pull up reason to their argument, that doesnt make it a good argument.

#52
NerfMaxima
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bro the entire team was ass at Shanghai you don't have to be a genius to see that a 9-26 loss to heretics and a 17-26 loss to PRX is a pretty bad performance.

Talk about the player ❌
Talk about the team result ✅

tapped in the brain some people are

#64
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selective reading really coming in handy

#71
NerfMaxima
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thats literally your only argument that kangkang did bad at shanghai????????? do you even know what you wrote

#57
Avzii
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Your argument just really isnt good, EDG were bad not kangkang, you only need eyes to see. Haodong did not have any good calls since 2023, his utility on iniator was not good, and the rest of the team were bottom 5 players except smoggy and kangkang. The stats alone show how impressive kangkang was in shanghai. saying he was bad is just wrong. Maybe he was worse than usual but still a top 10 player in shanghai.

Kangkang was also better than t3xture in 2/3 events

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RapGod
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he didnt do much because his team sucked and his flash initiator either botfragged or had bad util. Look at the EDG vs GEN game in Madrid and you can see his dominance even when his team isnt playing good

#29
cwoissa
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this is the best list except overall.idk why you're getting so many downvotes

#30
sentinelmain377
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mostly cuz ppl know the OP post list is a joke and that I took it seriously

#4
Laundry
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nah u gotta post baits like these earlier in the day, i promise u itll pop off way more

#5
Red2TPower
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where is xeppaa bro?

#6
hoboclap
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2024 is t3xture.

#13
Ronyko23
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Karon & meteor better in his own team lol

#34
hoboclap
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Lying to lie. Meteor was definitely a close 2nd, but never was he better than t3xture on GenG. Also, same with karon, he was top 2 controllers in madrid, but still not more impactful than t3xture in all of 2024

#48
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Lol meteor was for sure better than texture in international events in 2024. Bro didn't watch the game lol. Meteor impact was off the charts in every international event last year.

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I watched every game GenG played. Meteor had impact, but not as much as t3xture. There is a reason he won mvp in shanghai. In Madrid I can agree meteor might have had a bit more impact.

#7
missueveryday_
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2022 aspas
2023 aspas
2024 aspas
2025 aspas

#10
altsright
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That baiter aspas?

#14
missueveryday_
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do not saying shit about the GOAT

#35
hoboclap
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0.53 rating in the only masters he qualified to in 2025…

#37
missueveryday_
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he'll be back stronger

#40
hoboclap
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back stronger only to have Verno and cortezia carry him even though they have less experience internationally.

#9
aatabii
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2025: something

#11
vexdia
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2024 was t3xture

#12
Tempest24
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2026: me 🥱

#16
kfan4238173
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This is bait list but ill post mine

2021: chronicle mid diff
2022: yay low diff
2023: Leo low diff
2024: t3xture high diff
2025: Trent high diff

#17
mustafais
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Tr0nt Tejo merchant

#18
kfan4238173
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I would’ve liked to say meteor/alfajer/f0rsaken but they all each missed an international already

G2 is the only team so far with consistent success

#19
Hakujitsu
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2025: Akame

#33
Goonster
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ur dreaming pal

#22
kapteN
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google what "GOAT" means.

#32
Goonster
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2021: cNed
2022: Yay
2023: Leo
2024: Aspas

#42
SuperRoss
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2022 aspas
2025 so far alfa

#38
Dam1aN
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2025: Asspas and PRX Boaster

#41
CatEffect2
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2025: Shanks

#47
Yungtec199FR
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2021 Flyuh Teal seam / T1 Academy
2022 Flyuh FaZe Clan
2023 Flyuh Moist Esports
2024 Flyuh Moist x Shopify
2025 Flyuh Movistar KOI

#49
seven_glazer
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2021: nAts
2022: y0y
2023: Leo
2024: t3xture
2025: mitch

#61
unfertile
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tenz demon1 and kk kekw kekw kekw brother go to bed

#62
Aayan
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cNed
yay
Leo
t3xture

imo

#66
ATBSniper
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2021-2025 = aspas

#69
unfertile
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2021: me
2022 : me
2023: me
2024: me
2025: me

#74
vexdia
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give 2024 to me cmon bro

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