stew should go to NS bro
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SEN, because not only would i have a huge fanbase behind me, i'd get paid well, treated well, and i can pivot into streaming whenever i feel like it. plus i'd also be able to make it to LANs
he was also playing against dubstep
Also at this point yall/we're won't be satisfied for any reason.
#11
sea got the absolute maximum slots they could possibly get for ascension man what more do you want for the format literally every other region got only 1 slot, this is something to be happy about
6 slots at maximum for sea is a good thing, good news is good news man
like Tmo said in #11
Also at this point yall/we're won't be satisfied for any reason. This is another good progress for now to restore.
they already placed 3rd at champs before
it's finally some good news for SEA
yeah termi was dealt a bad hand, but i think people are just unhappy with the roster musical chairs termi is playing with beyn, where it's +beyn -beyn so often since last year
while flashback is an unreliable player and tbh i suspect his personal reasons are probably not even substantial enough to warrant a break, there is no real information or evidence that it wasn't something pretty important. so what can u do
the sequel is not just walking. we have bikes.
i get what ur saying but this is a hilarious line out of context
from the results alone it's implied that you can't really excuse any individual performance due to a bad team when you're getting shit on that bad.
i see how it's the case where his team was just not close to the same level he was on at Madrid, i just didn't see it at Shanghai.
i also said you could just watch the games, and that kangkang wasn't the worst player on his team he still performed subpar. i'm saying that it's just an unfortunate case of both him and his team not performing well at the event, unlike Madrid where it was him playing well and his team not so much.
Sorry, I've been interpreting this entire discourse on the t3xture vs KK argument, not the KK at Shanghai argument.
I thought KK was ass at Shanghai (this was hyperbole - he was not as good as he was compared to previous tournaments imo) partially because he wasn't able to pull out performances compared to his previous appearances at other events like Masters Tokyo. I think statistically the sample size is just too small - 78 rounds is tiny and not viable enough to be an accurate representation of how well he truly can perform.
I did say "i'm not saying kangkang was the worst player on the team but he wasn't exactly performing super well either."
I just think from the games it wasn't the kind of performance I would have expected from KK especially because I thought he performed very well and was underrated at Madrid.
When it comes to stats I'm mostly referring to his below average 0.91 K/D, his decent KPR of 0.81, and his 0.17 FKPR and FDPR when i talk about how KangKang underperformed compared to how he usually does. I don't really take numbers like ACS or ADR into account past a certain point because certain agents tend towards a higher ADR/ACS (Raze's utility generally deals a lot of splash/chip damage) but for the sake of honest discourse i entertain those metrics
you can say you disagree but i don't think you can say my reasoning isn't good.
the basic premise i already outlined, and i refer to empirical evidence to back it up - the stats. i applied my reasoning to those stats to explain deficits that i think strengthens my position. it's just a question of whether you agree with the way i interpreted those deficits and whether it's a reasonable enough conclusion.
the crux of this entire argument is simply whether kangkang was the better player because he appeared to perform better with a worse team, or whether t3xture was the better player because he performed at a similar level over more total rounds (and i think he was doing it even when his team was falling apart, if you look at his Champs stats)
evidently you don't think that t3xture is the more consistent player over a larger amount of rounds with a similar performance to kangkang, and that's fine. but the numbers suggest that is more likely than not. i'm happy to concede if you're willing to provide a counterargument that dispels this premise, but until then i think it's totally fair and reasonable to hold my position, is it not?
buzz over kangkang and derke is a crazy take
DH is a senti player idk why they're replacing their smokes player with him
it's not dense to have a take that's different from others as long as there is some reasoning to it. my take simply hinges on the premise that we have seen a more consistent performance from t3xture over a larger amount of rounds regardless of how well his team has been doing compared to kangkang.
you can disagree with how i evaluate players, but i think the numbers don't invalidate my reasoning.
playing more rounds does not indeed make u better, but having a larger sample size provides more accurate data. this is like the basics of statistics
ardiis hasn't played in almost 2 years man
i'm not commenting on the competitiveness of the teams i just wanted to know how long ago you heard this because i swear the last time i heard anything about european bootcamps was from LOUD way back in 2022
your stats are missing key details like the fact that t3xture played double the rounds kangkang did (328 vs 154, 2 times more rounds), and h2h doesn't mean anything lol. if someone is dropping 25+ kills every map but dying to only one person on the other team, that doesn't make them a worse player.
your shanghai analysis of KK's stats are based off of 78 TOTAL ROUNDS compared to t3xture's 388!
that's a difference of 310 rounds, in other words t3xture played FIVE TIMES more rounds than KK
of course it's easier to have inflated stats when you play less games. Over time, performance averages out.
When it comes to key stats in defining a duelist, t3xture has KK beat at most of them during playoffs
higher K/D, equal ACS, higher KPR, higher FKPR, and barely worse FDPR
and this is with almost 200 more rounds played
it's no coincidence then that t3xture won the stats game at Champs with 155 rounds played to KK's 449
in terms of peak performance of course KK was the best player of 2024, he broke the kill record and won Champs with it.
in terms of overall performance over the year then t3xture was just the better player. KK has had inflated af stats that you use to justify a better performance but you cannot deny that KK's sample size was at the very least half, to 1/5th at most of t3xture's. If we want to compare players that way then it's fair to say that primmie was actually one of the best players at Champs even though he only played 85 rounds.
you are putting too much importance in team performance and not individuals.
also you:
keep in mind Zmjjkk had no good support utility because half of his players were off role
Reminder besides smoggy, everyone else on EDG was bottom 12
Reminder both of EDG intiators were bottom 6 players
you are also putting too much importance in team performance. just because the rest of kangkang's team had, according to you, no good support utility, does not cover for gaps in kangkang's own individual performance. In fact, ironically, when EDG's players started to have better support utility like at Champs, KK's individual performance barely changed, and if it did, it mostly went down. This actually suggests that the reason EDG didn't do well at Madrid or Shanghai wasn't because they were failing to set up KK properly, it was more likely that they couldn't hold their own while trying to set up KK.
KK's performance stayed the same or got slightly worse as his team's utility got better. so i don't understand the "his team had poor support utility and t3xture's had good support utility and that's why KK is better" angle.
In fact, when t3xture's team crumbled and KK's team got better, t3xture's own individual performance was comparable to KK's when KK's team was doing bad.
t3xture vs KK (i'm going use Shanghai since I think we can agree that was when EDG were at their lowest during the entire year) when their teams are shitting the bed:
rounds: 155 > 78
ACS: 242.6 = 243
K/D: 1.17 > 0.91
ADR: 157.2 > 154
KPR: 0.84 > 0.81
FKPR: 0.18 > 0.17
so as you can see the two are pretty similar when it comes to how well they do when their team shits the bed.
As for regionals, EDG during 2024 literally farmed China. They won Kickoff, Stage 1, and Stage 2, and they did it 2/3 times from the upper bracket. And you could tell that China (minus EDG) still had to catch up considering they got first rounded at every event except Champs, when the narrative finally started to shift. It's not exactly difficult to win your region when you're on the most dominant regional team of all time.
Maybe its agent pool, the better player that can flex around more
Zmjjkk: Raze, Jett, Kayo, Neon
T3xture: Raze, Jett
this is also a non argument because both KK and t3xture have different teams with different players and the way roles and offroles work is different. There's a reason players like Aspas don't get compared to players like f0rsakeN because of their ability to flex. it's about who does their job better and more consistently. KK and t3xture are both duelists, so compare how they do as duelists. Idk where this team hype merchant stuff came from. Zellsis the goat then or what lmfao
Well if T3xture has better supporting utility, while still doing statiscally worse than Zmjjkk both regionally and domestically, as well as losing h2h against Zmjjkk, as well as a worse peak performance, as well as less outside benefits towards the team, as well as a worse agent pool than Zmjjkk. What exactly makes t3xture the better player? Just because he got signed to a better team that got better performances?
Well if t3xture performed to a similar level over more rounds and matches with a good team compared to KK with significantly less rounds and a bad team, and then performed BETTER than KK over less rounds when KK had a good team, what exactly makes KK the better player? Just because KK had roughly similar stats when he had a worse team and played to a 5th amount of rounds compared to t3xture? KK got his good team, got a guy with 0.49 APR (the 2nd highest APR in the tournament) and ended up performing worse than t3xture at the stats game.
So are we serious? What else?
bro the entire team was ass at Shanghai you don't have to be a genius to see that a 9-26 loss to heretics and a 17-26 loss to PRX is a pretty bad performance. alternatively you can watch the games, i'm not saying kangkang was the worst player on the team but he wasn't exactly performing super well either.
kangkang and his entire team performed poorly at shanghai, especially after they had just won regionals. kangkang was underrated at madrid and he was good at champs, although i personally believe chichoo was the real standout player at that tournament
Madrid KK was underrated but legit everyone on EDG was ass during Shanghai you're coping by saying it was anything different. The entire team sucked. KK is not player of the year.
t3xture and Meteor were actually farming at every event, even at Champs Meteor was a top 10 player in terms of rating, and both of them had a better rating than KK at Champs too
but the fact that you put Derke 3rd and made it a debate between Zekken (and also over Meteor) even though he basically didn't do anything at every international kinda says everything.
yeah but then I don't understand why Chronicle would be no.1 still, it should be Aspas when it comes to value to a team. Shit, f0rsakeN is, in my opinion, right now a better player than Chronicle. The only reason he's up there is nothing other than the fact that he just has more trophies compared to everyone else
And why is yay in this top 10 above Alfajer when Alfajer's value to a team is significantly higher? I would put someone like KangKang above yay.
yeah but i mean trophies over everything, i feel like people with two trophies are just kind of automatically above anyone with 1 trophy, anyone with 1 trophy is above anyone with no trophy, and anyone with 3 trophies (chronicle) is above anyone with 2 trophies type shit ykwim
i saw this same rhetoric be used to exclude forsaken from top 10 lists but now we're bending the rhetoric so people with less trophies are above those with more trophies, like winning twice is no easy feat but to win twice on 2 different teams and be the mvp the second time around is a pretty big flex no?
in that regard i think sacy and meteor should both be above f0rsaken and nats tbh
i'm down to do it again to your favourite teams
Meteor should be above nAts and f0rsakeN no? 2 trophies + 1 MVP > 1 trophy + 1 MVP?
surely we're taking trophy count into account if Chronicle is #1
in 2022 you also had monsters in tier 2 like Meteor and KangKang on Chamber
betas love to complain about ranked to other people
alphas don't vent their feelings like pussies they throw slurs and hate speech in the heat of the moment
sigmas delete their accounts after every loss
do you understand?
just realised korea beat NA and EMEA to get their trophies
downfragged for the truth
actual disasterclass from foxy this game icl
margaret i think. francis is irreplaceable
meteor is just the mental goat, guy just pulls up with big dick plays when the team needs him man.
split vs g2 (2025), lotus vs th, ascent vs fpx, lotus vs g2 (2024)
true. western bums continue to underrate the best region/continent in the world
refer to Hynix post on rrq before the tournament for an accurate assessment on the sentiment towards rrq
sure maybe but TH didn't even make it to playoffs. they didn't even win one map.
DRX would likely not lose to TL u are on crack, at the very least they would make both games vs GEN and TL close, you aren't gonna see them get 2-0ed.
also they would make it to playoffs at minimum, seeing that one of GEN/PRX won't be in Swiss with them
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